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E-cigarette smoker claims vaping burnt a hole through his LUNG and has left him struggling to breath

Discussion in 'E-News' started by JohnKalasin, Jan 12, 2016.

  1. peter-k
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    peter-k Well-Known Member

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    I was working in another location so it is only what my colleagues told me. But certainly that was THE issue at that time.

    The flavour itself was one of the oldest from the company, I think created sometime in the 30's if my memory serves me well. Hundrets of times it must have been used in about 60 years.

    The process in this factory involved a dusting step in open vessels. The dust was not exhausted and removed from the air the workers were exposed to. Of course it may be possible the 400 % overdosed and overheated flavour and it's certainly not exhausted vapor contributed to the overall problem. I suspect there was something different involved, such as no insurance would pay if they heard about the true details, or something else in that line. It never felt as the authorities wanted to find the truth, they just needed a culprit.

    As I said nobody thought about the incident anymore until now, then dig that stinky story out.
     
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    I'm fairly sure that the exposure suffered by the Factory workers was in the order of many times more than anyone who vaped E Liquid containing the said chemicals (Diacetyl,I believe, but it could have been another like Propynol, or another Diketone) and the chances of a Vaper contracting Popcorn Lung would be fairly remote- having said that, I did my best to ensure that any E Liquid that I vaped did not contain any of the offending flavourings, just to be on the safe side.

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    So rather convenient for a pro big pharma website, then ... oh, and lest we forget, nicotine, caffeine and ethanol are all potentially lethal in overdose ? ... so surely there are other substances which may be harmless at safe levels, that become toxic at OD levels, and lethal post OD levels ... chocolate I hear can make one pretty sick if consumed in enough quantity ... for popcorn lung, then presumably we also have "chocolate belly" :) ... roll on Easter, will NHS publish the "chocolate belly" story I wonder ?

    I gave up when "was implicated in" was mentioned in the original article on NHS website, I expected more from them, considering they represent the UK health industry. But presumably it's just actually lobbying from big pharma, considering the link in the article to big pharma's smoking cessation devices. Basing writing on conjecture, spin and speculation is more what I'd expect from Daily Mirror etc ... which was what the OP shared, and started us off with :)
     
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    Back to the OP's story...
    Unproven and unlikely according to Snopes.com -

    "While Courtney's claim provided a compelling cautionary tale about e-cigarettes and vaping, we were unable to find any information to indicate the injury he described was even possible, much less likely to occur in the manner described. Even if a "burn" to the lung was a possible outcome of e-cigarette use (unlikely given that the fluid would need to bypass the mouth and throat entirely), the equipment used by Courtney was on the low-end of wattage for vaping devices. Courtney may have been hospitalized as a result of his e-cigarette use in some fashion, but it was unlikely a condition that occurred in the manner described"
    Vaping Burned a Hole in My Lungs? : snopes.com
     
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    So, it's likely bullshit then, which should come as no surprise considering the source publication, and their relatively shallow "story" :)

    Unless of course he was vaping battery acid, which I think would be his err, not that of his equipment or any fault with vaping ... more credibility the story would have if the medical staff had made the claim, as I understand it from what I read, they did not directly, so we only have the mirror's word for it ...
    **Updated**
    PS "MIRROR - website of the year" ... according to whom exactly ?
     
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    It is not established diacetyl being really the cuprit. There was no poblem ever in the EU, and there was never any accident known around it. To name this sickness as "popcorn lung" tells me the intention to scare someone.

    The Diatcetyl level in tabacco smoke were found 100 times more than in the vapor of e-cigarettes, but I believe you know about that already and that's why you mentioned the above. It was and is however no problem for the flavour industry to dismiss this raw material. In the EU the usage has been limited only but most flavour companies nowadays avoid it.
     
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    No that makes a lot more sense to me, than the NHS article which never mentioned same stuff found in higher quantities in the stinkies, then pointed one to their "advertising page" for big pharma ... thanks for adding that.
    **Updated**
    PS, sorry should have included link for NHS's link - Flavouring found in e-cigarettes linked to 'popcorn lung' - Health News - NHS Choices
     
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