Five Pawns Class Action Lawsuit.

I appreciate your feelings but have to disagree with just about all you said. This court case will certainly give more ammunition to those trying to bring govt. regulation and oversight to this industry. "Baby sitters" cost money and are a pain in the neck to those trying to simply do business. This is the reason we don't have street food in the US.

 

Those roach coaches all must have a sink with running water and a black water tank. This is why I couldn't start up my hot dog cart in LA. Wouldn't be an issue here.

The cost of a properly set up hot dog cart to be within regulation for Los Angeles County it runs almost $10,000. I can have a Saleng built here for my Motorbike with a nice stainless top for only $300. Can you imagine trying to make a living after laying out 10k for a hot dog cart? It would take an awful lot of hot dogs before you ever saw a penny back. That's not even including all of the fees, taxes and checks you have to pay for. So instead we get an Applebees, Mcdonalds and AM/PM on every exit.

 

If you drive your HotDog 'SamLaw' up to Chiang Mai, I'll buy one-- quite partial to the occasional great Chilli-Dog.
But, we are all getting a little off topic here.

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Hey-Hey! guess what? an estimated 74% of juice from a survey of 159 samples contained diacytl¹ - so either get consistently outraged and quit everything and only vape pure vg with a fig leaf infusion or just keep on enjoying flavor country with a firm resolve to thoroughly not be gullible nor prudish about your health all of a sudden because here are...

Reasons to still not give a flying fart about diacetyl and vape 5Pawns MORE:

1. Fun things such as facts like:

• The quantities of diacetyl discovered in e-cigarettes have been, on average, 100 times lower than those found in traditional tobacco smoke. Another similar chemical, acetyl propionyl, has been discovered at levels 10 times lower than traditional cigarettes.

• Although smoking kills hundreds of thousands of people each year, traditional cigarettes HAVE NEVER been associated with popcorn lung.¹

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(Argument over. But you want some more don't you?)

2. Love to hate them but sometimes we need Government Agencies. This is not one of them. But ask yourselves, if they are NOT bent all out of whack over diacetyl why should you be?:

• FDA, "Diacetyl is added to some foods for flavoring purposes. It is metabolized in mammals, is of low acute toxicity, and the no-adverse-effect level is estimated to be less than .3mg. There is no evidence on the available information on diacetyl that demonstrates or suggests reasonable grounds to suspect a hazard to the public when they are used at levels that are now current or that may reasonably be expected in the future."²
• CDC,"Diacetyl is a chemical that was found to be a prominent volatile constituent in butter flavoring and air at the microwave popcorn plant initially investigated. Workers in microwave popcorn manufacturing are exposed to many materials besides diacetyl. Thus, initial studies in a total of 6 microwave popcorn plants were not able to definitely determine if diacetyl exposure contributed to lung disease or was a marker for other hazardous substances that contributed to disease. Current evidence, however, points to diacetyl as one agent that can cause flavorings-related lung disease. While other flavoring ingredients may also play a role."³

And if all that were not enough, then when considering:

• You no longer smell like ripened wild ass to just about everyone that isn't you and also does not smoke (a/k/a practically everyone).
• Morning routines now are free of carving up the filthy brown mucus and blood clot cheese wheel that lives in your lungs and ejecting it from the back of your throat.
• Activities such as walking, running, climbing stairs or any other form of bipedal locomotion can be performed for significantly increased spans of time and are no longer book ended by the sensation of being simultaneously stabbed and kicked in the chest.

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For these reason alone, even if vaping guaranteed inhaling Diacetyl, contracting airborne cooties and/or exposure to any other overtly hyped up hysterical boogie device - it still beats smoking. A lot. Don't be manipulated by the ill informed ex-smokers who are now militant about what YOU can and cannot vape and cry for blood just because (gasp) a company acted in its own self interest...


¹Dr. Farsalinos study on diacetyl in e-liquid
²Select Committee on GRAS Substances (SCOGS) Opinion: Diacetyl and Starter distillate
³CDC - Flavorings-Related Lung Disease: Exposures to Flavoring Chemicals - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

 

I think it has just been trumped...

 

A very positive aspect is the price of the no all of a sudden dangerous flavors containing the evil diacetyl is geting lower and lower

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I must say that, even if they gave me those liquids away, I wouldn't be in the queue.

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Yeah.... Due to their straight up cockiness every time I have run into one of them, the way they chose to dictate to their resellers how they will do business and their stinginess at all the shows I've seen them at, I will never vape another of their juices though they were quite good when I did try them. They remind me of the wannabe yuppy who came from nothing and only ever stereotypically fit the part.... kind of like the freaks running around BKK with the popped Ferrari collars.

 

Maybe it was the wrong threat but i was actually talking about diacetyl in flavors in general rather then a particular juice maker. I am happy to be able to DIY my juice an could not care less about any hyped juice or juice maker. To much business for the fast and big bucks in our day's in the Vaping world. Fancy names, bottles and packaging of juices are not what i need but to everyone what he desires.

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Definitely needs some form of standardization and regulation. Ejuices should be sold with COA.

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